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Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:30:00 -
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NONE of ANY OF YOU have ever flown a Frigate with RR before. EVER.
I have.
Sudden Buggery has done Remote Rep Assault Frigate gangs for the past 2 years. Generally, this is best achieved with a Vengeance and A-type Armour RR, and we also use the Harpy, Jag, Wolf, Enyo, Ishkur. But you can even today do RR frig gangs with Punishers, because they get the resist bonus.
You cannot currently do RR AFs or ANYTHING with small shield transporters on a small hull because they are way too high on CPU. This is not changing substantially with this update: CCP you need to drop these to 35-ish per module, max. I mean, come on.
What is our experience? You know, the actual thing any of you hopeless EFT warriors and armchair ninjas actually lack?
Number one; RR frigs work best against big hulls with bug guns. BS's are a complete pushover, as the guns can't hit frigs well to start with. Drones are easily blapped by RR Vengeances before they can get back inside momma. Versus cruisers and BC's this is moderately harder, except for the Cynabal which gets OMFG tracking and can blap you fairly easily. Against drakes with HMLs you can take 3 RR AFs in against four drakes and survive as long as no one TP's you. Against HAM Drakes, probably infinite. Against smaller hulls and smaller guns and missiles the actual landed damage begins ramping up significantly.
The way it works is like this. RR sprays a certain amount of armour HP onto the target hull. Your tanked DPS is dependent on resists and sig. In the case, cited earlier of a single RR giving a Merlin 300 DPS tank, you also have to consider that the Merlin has a high sig radius, especially with an MSEII aboard (and you'll definitely be fitting that!). Armour RR, working off a low sig radius already (and for god's sakes use ABs) means you combine natively higher resists with stupidly low sig. Hence why the Vengeance is king, and will always be king for this.
Secondly. You have two or more highly maneuverable ships with, at best, a 400mm plate and 85% resists, orbiting one another. Or, actually, the target. If you have a Harpy, Ishkur or Jag you get a utility EWAR slot; every other hull struggles to fit webs, TD's, ECM plus the RR. You orbit your target at 500m, which with your velocity and your buddy's velocity slings you to 1800-2300m, which is within the elliptical orbit range of your small RR.
Sure, the range bonuses on the logi frigs equate to 24km or so rep range, but this is still going to be hard to effectively achieve.
Thirdly, any RR (especially spider-tanking AFs) is very, very player skill intensive. There is infinite opportunity to derp the hell out of it, resulting in dying within seconds. As pointed out, cycle times, available capacitor, the small buffer and the high speed of frigates makes this a very, very difficult gang to pull off. If some clown wants to fit a shield-tanked MWD Condor and hope to get shield reps on him he will have to orbit the logi frigate, or he'll be out of its range inside 3 seconds. Then, 10 seconds later he'll be dead.
Finally, capacitor monitoring on a frigate is hard. THe Vengeance fit we use, it is cap stable. But you will suffer in an ungodly fashion if a BC has a neut, requiring your gang to manage cap. Plus velocity. Plus transversal. Plus landing actual DPS on the foe, plus EWAR modules, monitoring drones, etc etc. It is intense work. Hardly anyone can do this properly first go because unlike RR BS, this happens extremely fast.
So. My opinin, being one of the few people to ever use RR with frigates?
In reality, what will happen is this. People will begin roaming mass frigate logi gangs. They will quickly discover this is extremely hard work, and the majority will give it up. They will lose whole gangs in Rancer to smartbombs, or get their logi blapped by Cynabals, arty ruppies,thrashers and give up.
It might be a lark, a monhly special luls event of EVE Uni. TEST will do suicide frig roams, with marginally more survivabilityfor their kamikazes, but it won't turn them into evil Blob Eats All because it takes skill, which TEST pubbies don't have. RvB will ban logi frigates immediately, and none of them will ever learn how to do it (believe me, I tried RR AFs on a few RvBers and they just wanted to keep welping Rifters).
However, people will begin farming plexes, sanctums, etc with dramiels backed up with logi frigs. People will begin farming sleeper sites up to and including C4s with Navitas/Inquisitor/Vengeance/Daredevil gangs working on small sig-uber RR theorems. This will no longer be the preserve of niche opportunists and masochistic FCs like myself. This will be hilarious if people hotdrop them.
In FW, you will get Loki-Legion boosted Daredevils camping small plexes with a pair of Navitas/Inquisitors. Mediums will be camped by a couple of Vengeances. Shield fleets will soon consist of AB Condor/Kestrel Burst logi gangs.
- shield RR CPU fitting requirements are still far too high. Take the Bantam: 215 CPU. You fit 3 T2 RR's (126), a Upgraded MWD (25), a MSE (34), T2 Invul (44) you have run out of CPU. You still have one midslot and 2 lowslots to fill. I guess one is a CPU, the other is a nano, becuse you are going to be 20 short o
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